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r57shell wrote:
Also, "stars, moons, vault" tiers purpose is reflection of community feedback and support. I would call it raiting. So, in other words, it reflecting rating of TAS run. In "NO TIERS" system this information is ommited, same situation in "any%/100% and side goals" tiers system. But yes, you can always check raiting in "rating" section and in discussion topic.
Idea to change "stars, moons, vault" into "any%/100% and side goals" looks for me like removing feedback and support reflection with simple reason: borderline cases.
I do not see how it is omitted or removed. People still vote and rate. Probably you mean that not dividing the runs (into 3 groups) by entertainment value is bad. Maybe it is. But if done, it should not be a hardcoded cutoff. As I kept saying, I maybe want to see only all runs above 5. Or only those above 7. I can't, I'm forced to use a special link, because it was "decided" to divide them right there (only).
r57shell wrote:
My vote in this poll is: "Keep the Vault tier but change its appearance (name/icon/etc)" What exactly? Remove vault icon, and name. Let vault movie looks like normal one without "moons" or "stars".
Sounds sane.
r57shell wrote:
And that's why I laugh so much about it, because you want to solve problem with simple deletion of part of system that has issue. It's like cut off hand instead of its treatment.
I'll remind my personal reason to participate in this discussion: I don't want to feel "uneasy" or "excusing" for accepting to "wrong" tiers. Seeing all the flame, turska certainly felt so, even if he was 100% right with the decision. That's the point! There is no "wrong" decision in undefined area. "Right" is only the decision that the time has proven to be correct. It's a lottery, you can never be sure. I'm incapable of guessing (and then pretending I'm doing it all right). This is why I do think we need a change. Because right now, no one can define the behavior. Want to pretend we are alright (until we are on that area)? Good. I don't. It's like "Sorry, if you press that button, my program can burn your computer (and your dog). I couldn't figure out how to set it all up, so I just left it in and added a caution." I mean, yeah, most of the free coders do that, but we are not just free coders. We are goddamn perfectionists. We are overcoming expectations here, with just some mind work. This is yet another puzzle.
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Scepheo wrote:
To answer your question directly: I'm not offering anything. But that's the point: nobody is. Everybody is asking. All I'm asking is some patience. The TASing community is a slow moving community, pretty much by definition. Give the vault some more time.
And then what? How will you personally detect that the "actual time" for changes has come? And how much our actions will change?
feos looks at how his "unobsoletions" took a year to be fully understood, and then still happened exactly as they were requestedScepheo wrote:
feos, I don't see any productivity in what you're suggesting either. From my perspective, you're asking (telling) people to put in a lot of effort into changing the system, without any good arguments as to why. The only reason you give for anything you say is "because it minimizes subjectivity", but you completely fail to explain why that is a good thing. Why do we need less subjectivity?
Oh please. I'm sick of your ignorance.
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I knew it!
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feos wrote:
Alright, what do we have for now.
Forgot that the old poll question will start working again! If any%/100%, yes vote to "should it be published" means "yes, I like its optimization level" (all the rest just won't matter). If side goal, yes vote means "I like how entertaining it is (and optimized)". For borderline cases (subset of side goal runs), yes still means "I like it enough".
Sounds a bit weird, but lets people vote about various things, and still have it fit, since we won't be judging subjectivity (in most cases).
So again, why do we need that change? Because it minimizes subjectivity.
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Mecha Richter: There you go!
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Why isn't Zeupar's signature in my name? WTF?!
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WHAT
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Awesome job!
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It's because it's not part of the "Publication Work". Any ideas how to link it better?
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Scepheo wrote:
In the mean time, I'd like to argue against making those changes.
Care to respond to my previous message?
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Alright, Scepheo, what are you going to offer to all of those who actually want the specific change now? "You make no sense, live with the current system"? "There are too few of you, go get some more supporters"? It is always that way that whoever doesn't care enough to post just throws in a vote and forgets. And the ones who post rise real points. Because they care enough to do it. I don't see much (any) productivity in your suggestions (if there are any).
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Gender note serves a simple practical purpose: letting people know how to address you. We do not (ever?) address anyone here as "they", simple because who wants to be addressed as "not he" is never known about, until "they" states that. A gender note/sign lets to not state it explicitly every time, until people remember :D
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Polls give stupid statistics, posts give smart statistics (and can be helpful).
About subjectivity: let's reduce the annoyance and not massively rely on subjectivity, as the whole thing that relies on that becomes only partially legit. The best option is to leave subjectivity to the user. Say, if I don't want to see some option, let me hide it. If there are some movies that are implied to look really bad, a personal cutoff by rating is the way to go. Because as I said, one wants to control things that are subjective on his own.
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Warp: the current way to do things won't change. It will still be "fastest possible!!!11 goes to any%, any entertainment tweaks that cost time go to side goals". But again, it doesn't mean we will make branch names depend on that, just because it'd mess everything up, since branches are way more complicated that it was believed some time ago.
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Spikestuff wrote:
According to what feos has written within this forum he was a-okay with the 1 minute of killing the point of a speed fighter TAS.
No, it's you a-okay with how a run loses 1 minute of the game finishing by itself.
Also, why do you love absurd so much? You have a thread about that matter, where opinions exactly halved, and you are defending your personal preference with indicting me for bias, ignorance or something else?
Spikestuff wrote:
Well enjoy seeing the words "accepting to vault" without writing anything else for this game and judging between ingame for fighters vs TAS time for TASing.
Why so butthurt? The "ingame for fighters" issue is completely new to me. Was there a thread about how it's preferred? Maybe some guideline I'm stupidly missing?
I just want to remind, that leaving the ending type to the author's choice is a guideline, since both options are equally preferred.
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Alright, what do we have for now.
The most agreed option is that there should be 2 meta-categories, that can be definitely found out for any given run. Objectively. Then there should be a level above those that represents the best, cherry-picked runs. Depending on the size of those 3, we can leave them fit the current system code-wise: don't remove "tiers", maybe even keep the name, but rename some of them, and move runs around to settle forever.
Then, how it's judged.
Language: c
int JudgeMovie()
{
if (SubOptimal)
return Reject();
if (any% || 100%)
return Accept(Coins);
else
if (Boring)
return Reject();
else
return Accept(Moons);
}
How it's points are calculated: Whatever dunnius wrote, except that stars still need to give a higher score.
My question still remains:
- Should borderline + side-goal runs be accepted with hopes they are "entertaining enough'?
What will be good as well, if agreed about:
- Adding a NEW flag (shouting RATE ME on mouse hover) to attract more attention of raters.
- Option to hide away movies below a given rating. Say I hate runs that have 5-, someone hates all below 8, etc.
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The hardest wave is when all enemies are shadow lords. After that it's not "more difficult" anymore. Because if we consider seeing the first shadow lord a final point, I can spawn one in the very first wave (just by not picking the eggs), which makes no sense.
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gui.register( function ()
local pos = memory.readword(0xFF12C0)
local spd = memory.readbytesigned(0xFF12C5)
gui.text(10,40,"X Speed: "..spd)
gui.text(10,50,"X Posit: "..pos)
end)
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dwangoAC wrote:
after a fair bit of twiddling I was able to get the movie file to console verify.
Oh god can you make a video?!
Otherwise, is there a possibility to strip lag frames out of the verification movie and make it feed input only when there's a poll?
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synnchan: how would I know? If you don't want people to assume wrong, add to your signature a hint about it.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Yeah, you haven’t read the topic. synnchan isn’t talking about normal TASing
synnchan wrote:
How can I .avi dump with mame-rr? I can't find this option there.
synnchan wrote:
It shows EVERYTHING on the encode including when and where you loaded the states.
No, he surely isn't.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
feos wrote:
/me fails to see the connection between loading savestates and how they should not be in a video capture.
Have you not read the topic?
Have you never encoded your TAS?
I just tried it out and got a great video capture out of an input file I recorded with a bunch of savesloads (yes, in mame-rr).
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