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Posted: 7/5/2018 7:21 PM

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Yeah we'll think of adding an exception. So don't cancel.

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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:53 PM

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Can you use this cheat for unlmited nitro and also a password to skip to level 5?

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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:26 PM

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Thanks. I want this game to be properly TASed, so I obviously want you to keep working on it, but please consider a few points. As I mentioned in the judgment note for your other movie, this game is not entertaining for the unfamiliar people. Maybe a fully upgraded car with all the known glitches could be entertaining enough for Moons, but a regular any% run still seems to only belong to the Vault. And for Vault, we don't allow avoiding time-saving glitches (the wall glitch in this case). Also, the Movie Rules demand that all the known records are beaten if one aims for acceptance. http://tasvideos.org/MovieRules.html#SpeedOrientedMovieMustBeatAllExistingRecords Finally, you need to use all the known tricks that save time, unless there's some artistic reason to avoid minor time-saves, but this is very moot usually, so just use ALL the known tricks that save time. And to ensure your future submission is optimal, please use userfiles to upload your WIPs, and post them on the forum so others could check and help/advice before it's too late.

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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:35 PM

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Here's what we have :) http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19741

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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:14 PM

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If I read it correctly, this movie is 75 frames longer than the published one. This is basically a resync it seems. I tried to spark some discussion about this years ago: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14178 And here's the submission thread where it started: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14167 I'll quote the rules that discuss this matter:

Obsoleting a published movie wrote:

A movie which doesn't have any actual in-game game-play improvements over its published predecessor will not be accepted. If time is gained from using a more accurate emulator, but game-play hasn't been improved, such a movie will be rejected. However, if improved emulation introduces more lag, extends the cut-scenes, or slows down game-play in some way, yet the actual game-play has improved, such a movie will be considered a valid improvement.

So unfortunately, we can't publish a resync movie as an improvement. Some other form of acknowledging a resync on a more accurate emulator can be done after discussion. If this is not a resync, but an actual gameplay improvement, ignore this post.

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Posted: 7/4/2018 9:14 PM

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What ViGadeomes said. Please read the judgment note carefully, it's all there. In addition, please ensure you're really optimizing everything to maximum. We will try and beat your movie, and if we succeed, we'll reject it again, even if the goals are good.

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Posted: 7/4/2018 4:06 PM

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Oh okay, so you're not skipping the cities, just ending the race too early with a glitch. But what about my other post with questions? http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=471946#471946

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Posted: 7/3/2018 8:36 PM

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Which cities are you skipping in the run, and why, and how?

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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:22 PM

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I watched this and found it decent in terms of entertainment. I have some questions. From the first SNES Top Gear game I know that managing the gears is extremely important: there you can accelerate way faster while being at the 4th gear. Also, the frame you switch the gear at greatly influences the distance and speed you reach, because it would accelerate you differently depending on some tricky internal mechanics. Does gear switching have the same effects here? If yes, was it as carefully managed? From the first game I also noticed that if you reach a sharp turn with too high speed, for instance from having used nitro, you either get thrown off-road, or you have to brake not too lose too much speed to this. Isn't spending nitro only on (relatively) straight track segments faster? Was all the menuing optimized to death? I see tons of mashing there, and also that sometimes the game would just not react at certain buttons. If this run is to be redone and made more optimal, leaving any sloppiness in the menus would be disappointing. Similarly, the movie should be stopped when the last necessary input is entered - input that results in the fastest game completion, so it should also be entered ASAP. We measure movie time by this last input, not by anything else. How much time would wall glitch save overall? Do all the cars have identical parameters that don't affect time? Is it correct that once you've entered the track using the password glitch, you get money just as a reward for quitting? Have you used the tool that provides the most control over your tas for a newcomer - tastudio? This run syncs on the latest bizhawk release, which got a whole bunch of tastudio improvements. This thing lets you spend the least effort on checking minor things back in the past without having to rerecord the future inputs once again, as well as tons of other helpful features. Can you guys upload TheRallyFTW's movie file to our userfiles so we could do proper comparison? If this run loses to some existing records, or is overall not optimal enough (for example, if some of us can easily and significantly improve it), it will have to be rejected.

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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:08 PM
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Entertainment was not even the critical factor back then, at least not the one explicitly asked by the poll. People did find it somewhat entertaining back then, and voted YES IT SHOULD BE PUBLISHED, but then changed their minds and gave it shitty ratings. Nothing new here.

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Edit: If not, every current publication that was accepted before the vault existed needs to be re-evaluated to see if it needs to be demoted.

You mean demoted to vault? Isn't this thread the place where we're doing this already?

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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:25 PM

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We don't have such a thread yet. BTW, I don't think it's even possible to accurately emulate kicking the console, pulling off the cartridge, this kind of things.

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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:59 PM

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Abusing this mechanic has not been discussed yet, at all. First of all, we need to make sure it's emulated absolutely accurately. Because when we abuse some glitch that heavily corrupts the game, we demand that it provides outcome in principle true to the console. Second, some people would argue that this is abusing the hardware alone, instead of abusing the software of the game that we use as is. On the other hand, we have a Reset button that can be pressed between arbitrary instructions in some emulators, and that's fair game. Third, if you are seriously considering this, we may have a global thread discussing pros and cons, with all the community welcome to participate. Discussing pros and cons together helps finding fundamental problems with such things, and with fixing them if they can be fixed. Bottomline: this is gray area for now.

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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:32 PM

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It is allowed as long as one is still loading an image for the same game, not a blank image, nor some other game. As I said, for games that require multiple disks, this is possible and allowed. http://tasvideos.org/Bizhawk/PSX.html

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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:09 PM

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The premise here is that you'd have to hack the emulator to strip all the UI from it. This happens in situations when no one did or needed this before you. This is exactly your situation. What I linked is things bizhawk is limited to. A user interested in controlling the emulator remotely usually finds these helpful, especially in situations when headless is not even an option. Props for knowing how to post wikipedia links, this sure is valuable skill not everyone has.

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Posted: 7/2/2018 2:38 PM

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Check this lua library we merged: https://github.com/TASVideos/BizHawk/pull/1080 Python server: https://github.com/Ashafix/PyEmuHawk Current docs on it: http://tasvideos.org/Bizhawk/LuaFunctions.html

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Posted: 7/1/2018 11:20 AM

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I find myself agreeing with MESHUGGAH. We allow losing HP, lives, even continues to save time (unless it throws the difficulty out of the window, like in most Arcade games). And when your goal is tied to winning all the fights, by definition you can't lose. Otherwise, if the game doesn't really punish you for losing, why not abuse that?

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Posted: 6/30/2018 3:37 PM
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While it's a funny idea, I don't think bizhawk's prereqs will install on PCem.

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Posted: 6/30/2018 11:44 AM

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We goofed by fully trusting the authors. This is not about blame, but about policies that weren't perfected, seeing the actual reasons of problems and trying to resolve them. I noticed one more thing. In a film about Deep Purple, the band said that managers operate in a certain way. They say "we succeeded" when the band succeeds with their help, but say "you failed" to the band when things go wrong. I guess I made the same mistake here: I said "we" when it was about how well the game was (supposedly) researched, and then I said "the author" when it turned out that it was sloppy. Sorry about this.

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Posted: 6/30/2018 9:27 AM

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Yes, please redo this so that we don't pretend this movie is properly completed. One of the reasons it was accepted in the first place is that we trusted the author's research. And it appeared to be sloppy. I think we'll have to ignore this factor in the future.

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Posted: 6/29/2018 5:14 PM

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Ugh, this engine sound killed it for me. Just unbearable. Maybe people who know the game can enjoy this bike's crazy jumps, and find this a cool concept demo, I'm personally voting No.

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Posted: 6/29/2018 3:27 PM

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This movie was recorded from unpaused state, so in order to get it to sync, put the game into "roms", start the emulator, launch the game, and while unpaused, press Ctrl+R to get the replay movie dialog, and pick the movie. To dump avi, start the emu from command line with this command, and then do the above.

mame-rr dbzvrvs -aviwrite dump.avi

Link to video

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Posted: 6/28/2018 8:21 PM

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Mitjitsu wrote:

What's the hold up with this submission, why is it taking so long to get published?

It requires upstream dolphin's avi dumper code to be merged into the dolphin version it was made on, otherwise av desyncs can NOT be fixed during dumping.

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Posted: 6/28/2018 3:04 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_(computing) Bizhawk will not load a .bin file for psx.

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Posted: 6/28/2018 2:59 PM

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Of course. We don't care how long it is if the relevant part is more optimal than the current run, and the rest of it is just as optimal.

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Posted: 6/27/2018 7:43 PM

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GenericMadScientist wrote:

I did bring up another issue. Say someone wants to do a NG+ TAS on the Japanese version. My understanding is that alongside the TAS, the user would have to submit a movie file creating the desired save file. However, an optimal save file for FM NTSC-J requires use of the Pocketstation accessory, and its infrared capabilities. BizHawk has no support for the Pocketstation, and to my knowledge no Pocketstation emulator currently supports the infrared stuff. Am I right in concluding that an NG+ TAS with an optimal file is at this time just not allowed in any way under the TASVideos rules?

If the game can't be properly emulated, we can't accept a TAS of it, not even a verification movie. Because we can't allow working around this by allowing cheats in verifications.

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While my mind is on this, I'll bring up one more dumb thing (disclaimer: I have no intention of doing this, nor does anyone else to my knowledge, but may as well mention it). Someone could want to do an FM NG+ TAS with the cards obtainable without the Pocketstation. Strictly speaking, the optimal way to do this involves buying the Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth card. This costs 999999 starchips, and the only way to get starchips is to win 5 a time from a duel. A back of the envelope calculation suggests a movie file creating a save file with this card bought could be around 5 billion frames long. It's very possible a bot could make this movie, but I wonder if BizHawk would start breaking at this point. What would the policy be on this?

A 2.5 year long movie? The answer is, it won't work. If you want to know where it dies, just run the fastest core with all the output turned off and see where it breaks.

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